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	<description>A seduction in words</description>
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		<title>By: Seressia</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16253</link>
		<dc:creator>Seressia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is unbelievable.  I've got a deadline but I can't write because I'm focusing on the cluster that is this latest RWA decision.

I really, really hope EC and Samhain's owners are laughing behind the scenes:  "You mean I can't come to RWA and solicit manuscripts?  However am I going to find any?" asks the house who is still closed to submissions until September because they are innundated.

Dream of Shadows will be a single title in September.  Vegas Bites is already out, and its sequel Vegas Bites Back will be out in December. /plug.

BTW, I'm going to gank the word count meter.  Maybe that will help me focus on my writing and not on the latest debacle from RWA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really is unbelievable.  I&#8217;ve got a deadline but I can&#8217;t write because I&#8217;m focusing on the cluster that is this latest RWA decision.</p>
<p>I really, really hope EC and Samhain&#8217;s owners are laughing behind the scenes:  &#8220;You mean I can&#8217;t come to RWA and solicit manuscripts?  However am I going to find any?&#8221; asks the house who is still closed to submissions until September because they are innundated.</p>
<p>Dream of Shadows will be a single title in September.  Vegas Bites is already out, and its sequel Vegas Bites Back will be out in December. /plug.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m going to gank the word count meter.  Maybe that will help me focus on my writing and not on the latest debacle from RWA.</p>
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		<title>By: laurendane</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16252</link>
		<dc:creator>laurendane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seressia - yeah, I just saw Angie's comments on the Samhain author loop. Raelene has reported pretty much the same thing to the EC authors.

And when does the paranormal book you have excerpted at your website come out? Is that the novella in the vegas bites antho?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seressia - yeah, I just saw Angie&#8217;s comments on the Samhain author loop. Raelene has reported pretty much the same thing to the EC authors.</p>
<p>And when does the paranormal book you have excerpted at your website come out? Is that the novella in the vegas bites antho?</p>
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		<title>By: Seressia</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16251</link>
		<dc:creator>Seressia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRAG.  Samhain will be unrecognized.
 See &lt;a href="http://nicemommy-evileditor.com/blog/?p=1003" rel="nofollow"&gt;here:&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRAG.  Samhain will be unrecognized.<br />
 See <a href="http://nicemommy-evileditor.com/blog/?p=1003" rel="nofollow">here:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Seressia</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16250</link>
		<dc:creator>Seressia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lauren, and I hope you enjoy it!  NCR was my first book (originally pubbed in 2000).

I've looked everywhere to see if other organizations define subsidy/vanity the way RWA has, with that sales codicil.  No one does, not even SFWA which is more strict than RWA regarding who's published (they have a $2K minimum.)

Hopefully clarification will come sooner rather than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lauren, and I hope you enjoy it!  NCR was my first book (originally pubbed in 2000).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked everywhere to see if other organizations define subsidy/vanity the way RWA has, with that sales codicil.  No one does, not even SFWA which is more strict than RWA regarding who&#8217;s published (they have a $2K minimum.)</p>
<p>Hopefully clarification will come sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16246</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seressia, I just ordered No Committment Required from Amazon after checking out your website. thanks for your comments by the way. Yes, I think it was a good thing they looked at this because of the whole Trisk debacle. But when everything gets applied, it's a clusterfuck. Although I did have to laugh when I wondered how many books harlequin sold on eharlequin, if it's more than 50% you can bet that new rule would be changed in five minutes.

I will write a letter about it. I wanted to see how it shook out at the conference. I'm starting to hear back from my publishers who are there and trying to get answers but I don't want to go off half cocked and write some letter until I have all the facts. 

Lynne - yes, that whole thing about the sales on the website is so odd to me. The other stuff makes sense, but  the sales part was just weird and it seemed very pointed to me.

Sasha - I ended up keeping my RWA membership last month, I wish I'd known then what they were up to but I love to ability to advertise in Romance Sells and I've got a Spice book coming out in May so I made the excuse for that. I also joined my local chapter, who is sadly, being very quiet on this and I hope it's just because everyone is at Nationals.  After this craziness, after the craziness of the years before I suppose I was hoping saner people were at the helm who listened to the membership, I guess I was wrong. No matter, my money will be better spent next year.

Ember - I think what I found so frustrating was how out of the blue this one came. I knew they were workin on PAN stuff and when I read it all over, I can't say I find it that bad a change. The RITA change WRT copyright date is really good. But this vanity publisher/epublisher thing, well that was like a sneak attack and I'm very displeased no input was sought on it.

December - yes

Tess - I don't know how it works but usually yes, they're supposed to have time for open member comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seressia, I just ordered No Committment Required from Amazon after checking out your website. thanks for your comments by the way. Yes, I think it was a good thing they looked at this because of the whole Trisk debacle. But when everything gets applied, it&#8217;s a clusterfuck. Although I did have to laugh when I wondered how many books harlequin sold on eharlequin, if it&#8217;s more than 50% you can bet that new rule would be changed in five minutes.</p>
<p>I will write a letter about it. I wanted to see how it shook out at the conference. I&#8217;m starting to hear back from my publishers who are there and trying to get answers but I don&#8217;t want to go off half cocked and write some letter until I have all the facts. </p>
<p>Lynne - yes, that whole thing about the sales on the website is so odd to me. The other stuff makes sense, but  the sales part was just weird and it seemed very pointed to me.</p>
<p>Sasha - I ended up keeping my RWA membership last month, I wish I&#8217;d known then what they were up to but I love to ability to advertise in Romance Sells and I&#8217;ve got a Spice book coming out in May so I made the excuse for that. I also joined my local chapter, who is sadly, being very quiet on this and I hope it&#8217;s just because everyone is at Nationals.  After this craziness, after the craziness of the years before I suppose I was hoping saner people were at the helm who listened to the membership, I guess I was wrong. No matter, my money will be better spent next year.</p>
<p>Ember - I think what I found so frustrating was how out of the blue this one came. I knew they were workin on PAN stuff and when I read it all over, I can&#8217;t say I find it that bad a change. The RITA change WRT copyright date is really good. But this vanity publisher/epublisher thing, well that was like a sneak attack and I&#8217;m very displeased no input was sought on it.</p>
<p>December - yes</p>
<p>Tess - I don&#8217;t know how it works but usually yes, they&#8217;re supposed to have time for open member comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha White</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16245</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm right with you, Lauren. I didn't renew my RWA membership, and I'm fine with it.   There are a couple of good things about RWA, but personally, I find more bad than good.  I hate prejudice, and thatâ€™s exactly what RWA is promoting.

There are other author organizations out there that I'm going to try, when I get the urge.  But honestly I think things like Access Romance,  and Romance Diva's are the best.  They offer workshops and blogs, and message boards for authors of all levels, and what better way to learn than from each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m right with you, Lauren. I didn&#8217;t renew my RWA membership, and I&#8217;m fine with it.   There are a couple of good things about RWA, but personally, I find more bad than good.  I hate prejudice, and thatâ€™s exactly what RWA is promoting.</p>
<p>There are other author organizations out there that I&#8217;m going to try, when I get the urge.  But honestly I think things like Access Romance,  and Romance Diva&#8217;s are the best.  They offer workshops and blogs, and message boards for authors of all levels, and what better way to learn than from each other?</p>
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		<title>By: Seressia</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16244</link>
		<dc:creator>Seressia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me preface my comments by saying that I'm already in PAN and my publishers are print publishers.

At first, I thought the changes were good, the best that they could come up with considering the circumstances.  Then I started breaking down each point, and here are the conclusions I came to:

Basically, no ePub would be allowed to take editor appointments at National, because of the advance requirement.

The three ePubs who are currently recognized will be delisted or called Vanity Presses because their PRIMARY means of selling books is through their own websites.

One or two of the small presses currently recognized may also be considered a Vanity Publisher because of the 50% rule of owners publishing books to non-owners publishing books.

I hope that RWA will clarify their definition.  We will have to wait until the new Market Update is released to see who is on and who is off.  If you're a member, please write your Board liasion.  As it stands now, this effectively denies any ePublisher from joining the reindeer games.

To Christine:  The Board decision is all but set.  Only next year's AGM at next year's National Conference can undo this.  &lt;i&gt;(Did anyone notice how they extend the requirement of posting the Hot Sheet from 48 to 72 hours, just so it wouldn't be posted in time for this year's AGM?  I know, call me a conspiracy theorist. )&lt;/i&gt;  :twisted:  Or voting in new board members who will have enough of a majority vote to rescind this decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me preface my comments by saying that I&#8217;m already in PAN and my publishers are print publishers.</p>
<p>At first, I thought the changes were good, the best that they could come up with considering the circumstances.  Then I started breaking down each point, and here are the conclusions I came to:</p>
<p>Basically, no ePub would be allowed to take editor appointments at National, because of the advance requirement.</p>
<p>The three ePubs who are currently recognized will be delisted or called Vanity Presses because their PRIMARY means of selling books is through their own websites.</p>
<p>One or two of the small presses currently recognized may also be considered a Vanity Publisher because of the 50% rule of owners publishing books to non-owners publishing books.</p>
<p>I hope that RWA will clarify their definition.  We will have to wait until the new Market Update is released to see who is on and who is off.  If you&#8217;re a member, please write your Board liasion.  As it stands now, this effectively denies any ePublisher from joining the reindeer games.</p>
<p>To Christine:  The Board decision is all but set.  Only next year&#8217;s AGM at next year&#8217;s National Conference can undo this.  <i>(Did anyone notice how they extend the requirement of posting the Hot Sheet from 48 to 72 hours, just so it wouldn&#8217;t be posted in time for this year&#8217;s AGM?  I know, call me a conspiracy theorist. )</i>  <img src="http://www.laurendane.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" class="wp-smiley" />  Or voting in new board members who will have enough of a majority vote to rescind this decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I'm totally out of the loop on this. But aren't there people w/ power who can override this type of rule? Secondly why do you guys belong to an organization who doesn't want you? Why don't all of the epublishers and authors get together and start there own group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I&#8217;m totally out of the loop on this. But aren&#8217;t there people w/ power who can override this type of rule? Secondly why do you guys belong to an organization who doesn&#8217;t want you? Why don&#8217;t all of the epublishers and authors get together and start there own group</p>
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		<title>By: Tess MacKall</title>
		<link>http://www.laurendane.com/blog/2007/07/11/daily-count-ridiculous-rwa-junk-etc/#comment-16242</link>
		<dc:creator>Tess MacKall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Said, Lauren.  I had heard of the rules changing about a month ago.  However, there was no mention of the advance payment, simply a mention of sales.  It looks like the mention of advances was intentionally left out until the actual conference.  Shouldn't members receive a copy of these proposed changes long before conference?  It now appears as though the RWA Board has taken the meaning of Elitest to new levels.  It's a shame they have taken this stance.  I hope the membership in attendance rallies and votes this down.....
Tess MacKall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Said, Lauren.  I had heard of the rules changing about a month ago.  However, there was no mention of the advance payment, simply a mention of sales.  It looks like the mention of advances was intentionally left out until the actual conference.  Shouldn&#8217;t members receive a copy of these proposed changes long before conference?  It now appears as though the RWA Board has taken the meaning of Elitest to new levels.  It&#8217;s a shame they have taken this stance.  I hope the membership in attendance rallies and votes this down&#8230;..<br />
Tess MacKall</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weirdest part of it all, to me, is the inclusion of this language in the criteria for determining if a publisher is a vanity/subsidy press: publishers whose primary means of offering books for sale is through a publisher-generated Web site.

I agree with the other criteria -- authors paying a fee for publication and having to do all the promo/sales themselves -- but this one doesn't belong with the others. 

I think it's their way of getting rid of the e-pubs, even the big gals, because of that one word -- primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weirdest part of it all, to me, is the inclusion of this language in the criteria for determining if a publisher is a vanity/subsidy press: publishers whose primary means of offering books for sale is through a publisher-generated Web site.</p>
<p>I agree with the other criteria &#8212; authors paying a fee for publication and having to do all the promo/sales themselves &#8212; but this one doesn&#8217;t belong with the others. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s their way of getting rid of the e-pubs, even the big gals, because of that one word &#8212; primary.</p>
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